Friday, June 20, 2014

The Cluster 'You-Know-What' in Iraq in Conversations, Part One: My Reply to British Foreign Secretary William Hague's Announcement over Facebook to Reopen the British Embassy in Tehran

Topic: The Cluster 'You-Know-What' in Iraq in Conversations, Part One

To my fellow readers, once again, life got in the way and I was unable to dedicate as much or hardly any time I wanted to with regards to the two latest Obama cluster-"you-know-what's" over the current deluge of illegal immigrants pouring over our borders to the point where so far as I have read, there are no known or concrete figures having been provided in my subscribed news feeds globally, and do know that I have nearly two dozen from all over the world I have saved over my Bookmarks or that I receive in my Facebook feed.

This will be the first of two conversations in the form of replies to two very different forums. The one you are about read in my reply is to British Foreign Secretary William Hague of the Conservative Party (aka. "Tory, or Tories"). The Right Honourable William Hague serves in the same capacity as our De Gaulle-esque looking Secretary of State John Kerry, but in terms of doing a credible job, Hague is far more competent even in this very poor choice since Sec. Kerry seems more concerned about being Al Gore's unspoken representative on the issue of climate change, which apparently has had its title altered likely for more absurd politically-correct purposes. As data indicates that not only is there not enough evidence to warrant a major series of global regulations on climate control akin to the Kyoto Treaty to which President George W. Bush severed our ties, but Kerry has engaged in stating that climate change is responsible for the violence in the Middle East and our crime rate. As a stereotype rarely ignored in practice by socialists, he did read at least one book that did not entail he recite poetry at a Summit regarding the Russian occupation of the Crimean Peninsula and threat to invade Ukraine proper. But for now, I will segue into my immediate topic, having nothing to do directly with climate change because frankly, no human being is the X-Men mutant known as Storm, nor do most women who read this look as gorgeous as the actress portraying the character, Halle Berry.


I will do little in explain the crux of this conversation since you each will easily locate what the topic of the actual post by Hague at the topic of his Facebook update. For now, do enjoy my very objective perspective as a person with academic backgrounds in both History and Political Science, from which as usual I lent nearly all my positions in convincing some while piquing the interests particularly of the Tories who replied. If a Labour Party or Liberal Democrat chose to make stirring accusations to be brainwashed by the media into acquiring my own framework of thought or, like most socialists revel in the endeavor, telling me how I am an "idiot," I dealt with them accordingly, but as usual, not by cursing them out, but through witty, whimsical comment making them look like the "moron(s)" they claimed me to be.  

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William Hague shared a link
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I have decided the circumstances are right to reopen our embassy in Tehran. There are a range of practical issues that we will need to resolve first. However, it is our intention to reopen the embassy in Tehran with a small initial presence 
as soon as these practical arrangements have been made. I expect the Iranian Government will similarly choose to take steps to reopen its embassy in London. Read my written statement to Parliament.
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  • Jonathan Henderson As an American who is a Reaganite and in my utmost love and respect for the Iron Lady, a Thatcherite, I vehemently oppose any further talks or general relations with Iran for the fact they not only are still funding terrorists, but now have embarked upon its ambitions for a nuclear future and will be the major military presence in a potential invasion of Iraq amid the ISIS being poised to topple the still fledgling government. We current have an Iranian-born Christian pastor in captivity being tortured regularly simply for being an American and infidel. 

    As I suspect President Obama is intent upon creating a new caliphate, or a pan-Islamic superstate, I fear for the future. I am very disappointed in the Cameron Government for implementing such a poorly-conceived and still worse idea to appease the Tehran government and the nation's president, Hassan Rouhani.
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    • William Charles Oliver Stuart The fact that you happily state "as I suspect President Obama is intent upon creating a new caliphate" is enough for anyone not to take you seriously.
    • Colin Rolaz Nisbett I think someone replaced sponsored terrorism with democracy.
    • Martin Howard Haha Iran funding terrorists!! Yeh right, so what about the US funding armed coups of democracies in Syria and the Ukraine? Or invading Iraq and afghan killing 1.8 million Arabs? Or using drone strikes in Pakistan CAR and Yemen? Or killing thousands of Iranians with Draconian sanctions based on its nuclear program when only the US has used them and offered them to other nations for use (offered to France for use in Vietnam)... You're either joking or ignorantly being led by the media... Either way you're a total idiot.
    • Alan Rockman Jonathan, bravo, well-said. As for the pathetic Willie Chuckie Oliver Stuart, one look at you pretty much says it all. Just another Islamist poof ala Billy Hague.

      And you, Martin Howard, go don your burka. You remind me of Donald McLean or that other toad Blunt.
    • Stuart Livett Ourselves and all of our allies fund or encourage terrorism in one way or another when it suits us to do so. In Iraq it was understood that we didn't have enough resources to control both sides so we staged terrorist attacks to get the Sunni and Shia to fight themselves. There is no point being too high minded about Iran because they are not ideal allies in every way.
    • Jonathan Henderson Willie-So-Silly and Martin "Bashir-Moe" Howard, it is rather nice to read how well-adjusted you are in reading the English language. Of course, if you find yourself having to tell others you are intelligent by way of condescendingly declaring him or her to be "a total idiot," well, you forgot an old cliche: you are the pot calling the kettle black. And since I am apparently a black kettle, I must be on par with you since your are the same color as myself as well as in material. I am also sure that you are like Jared and eat at your local Subway restaurant, dining upon the mandatory halal on the menu.

      I suspect that as you are both expert linguists and in Willie's case, I am not to be taken seriously based upon my contention that there perhaps is a shift by President Obama to unite the Arab World while he is intent upon destroying Israel either through Sec. of State John Kerry or by funding Hamas and the Palestinian Authority; or for the latter to simply state that I even watch any news on television since at best I would be borne witness to political hyperbole and forced to choose the means for which I would rather view or listen, keeping in mind that The Blaze is a very popular right-wing news source, but is being blocked by cable and satellite carriers who are known donors to liberal organizations and the Democratic Party; that we currently are witnessing the House of Representatives investigating the IRS for targeting conservative, libertarian and religious tax exempt organizations, not to mention Benghazi and now the swap for a derelict U.S. Army sergeant whose father has trails via Twitter connecting him to Islamic organizations which support the Taliban; and just today it was announced rather conveniently that the mastermind behind the Benghazi attacks Abu Khattallah was arrested with no resistance; and that the leader of the ISIS faction about to topple the Iraqi government, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, had been released by the Obama administration in 2009 when Obama was sworn in that February, who then stated to Col. King upon escorting him out of his confinement: "I'll see you in New York." 

      Willie, I am sure you were here at my house when I "typed" that President Obama is intent upon creating a new caliphate, and that through typography, you were able to depict this within your mind as you were sipping your tea a shit-eating grin and a hearty chuckle. I also am sure that you know that the president is funding Hamas and al-Qaeda fighters in Syria, including ISIS in Syria, has supported and has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and has had generals and figures of authority within the Pentagon state that the president has key figures from within the party working within his administration, one of which is Huma Abedin, the wife of the sexting fiend Anthony Weiner. Obama is supporting the Taliban and as you may have read in your newspapers, just negotiated a swap for one Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, a deserter, in exchange for five Taliban authority figures who were taken captive during combat over the past 12 years using Qatar's government as the mediator and halfway house for incarcerating the Taliban figures for one year; instead, the five terrorists were treated to heroes' welcomes. Obama is leading the way for Iran to go nuclear, but I am sure that since I am a total idiot and the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats are still as much of an anti-nuclear deterrent pair of political parties within the British government as they were during the Thatcher ministry, you might actually display some concern over that nation's military buildup (there have been Iranian warships sailing in our maritime waters) inclusive of nuclear weapons. Also, it has come to light that the president had funded and armed the al-Qaeda linked cell which attacked Benghazi, killing four of our people within the Embassy, including Amb. Chris Stevens. Today, we are facing Obama's willful breach of federal law of not enforcing at all our border with Mexico, and to date, untold thousands have crossed over with no resistance by the Border Patrol since they are hopeless outnumbered; there are also camps set up for refugee children from Mexico to be housed by the president's order, also illegal, and akin to what he did with the swap as well as dozens of other decisions of late, he is completely bypassing Congress on many of his initiatives using executive orders - or what he call his having a phone and pen in his hands. 

      Martin, I will let you know that between including the BBC, The Guardian and The Daily Mail within my regimen of global media outlets I check frequently alongside our Fox News, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Associated Press, CNN and USA Today; the Japanese services The Japan Times and The Kyodo News; France's Agence France Presse; Xinhua, The South China Morning Post and China Daily USA from ours and the world's creditor in Beijing; RT in Russia; The Financial Times; The Times of Israel; Al Jazeera; Asia Times Online; South Atlantic Media Services; The Korea Herald; Iran's Fars News Agency, and the list is even longer, but since I am sure you never believe anything from within the BBC nor The Guardian which supports socialism in Britain. 

      And since you do not seem to believe that there is a very strong possibility the Obama administration is funding the ISIS as is known that he has done within the Syrian theatre of the Arab Spring, watch this video and allow yourself to avoid listening to the Arabic tongue spoken and reading the English subtexts, left to right. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_QzYsLRyzE


    • Jonathan Henderson You are correct Stuart, and we have been engaged in that method of proxy warfare for more than 30 years. We first funded Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-88) not because we were allies with Baghdad, but with our diplomatic ties with the Islamic Republic of Iran being severed in 1979 and due to our opposition to the Ayatollah Khomeini post the Iran Hostage Crisis, the enemy of our enemy was our friend. This has been a commonplace policy with every major world power for centuries; for example, France provided the necessary naval strength to aid George Washington at the siege of Yorktown, Virginia in 1781, which forced the surrender of Lord Cornwallis and ended armed conflict during the American Revolution two years later with the Treaty of Paris; ironically, it was this alliance that inspired as catalyst for the Parisian sans culottes to storm the Bastille on July 14, 1789, beginning the French Revolution's and leading to our first political party system with Jefferson supporting France until the Reign of Terror commenced versus his greatest political rival, Alexander Hamilton, who was pro-British, in 1793. President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) turned his attention to Europe following his New Deal initiatives collapsing an already depressed economy stateside, and in this switch in policy direction, funded the British, French and Soviet forces through our Lend-Lease Act. The Soviet Union indeed won their Great Patriotic War of the Eastern Theatre at the cost of between 20 and 30 million military lives and untold numbers of Soviet citizens, only upon liberating each state in Eastern Europe (except for Tito's Yugoslavia) to install friendly governments operated under communism, and ergo, the initiation of the Cold War. Beginning with the Carter administration in 1979, the U.S. funded the Osama bin Laden-run Mujahideen in repelling the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan, and three years after the Red Army retreated (February 1989), the virtually-anarchical Afghan state fell to the Taliban due to our failure to rebuild the state infrastructure as we did under the Marshall Plan in Europe. 

      In rehashing your correct observation regarding the U.S. and British funding sectarian wars, we have done so for years with the Kurds near the ethnic borders comprising of Kurdistan in what today is northern Iraq and the southernmost portion of Turkey. Not only did Saddam Hussein gas and kill thousands of ethnic Kurds during his dictatorship, but the Turks also repressed them. The fact that why we have been funding the Ukrainian resistance for the past year can be attested to what you will read here regarding our vice president Joe Biden's son, Hunter, serving on the executive board of the largest oil corporation in Ukraine called Burisma Holdings. This source will be directly from the corporate website:

      http://burisma.com/hunter-biden-joins-the-team-of.../



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    • Ken Flagg It seems you endorse duplicity Jonathan evident to those in know in your predilection for Reagan who presided over drugging America to illegally fund the Contras and illegally negotiated with Iran to delay the release of hostages to throw an election. We are living in a tangled web spun by these sorts people who have grown in power. Until we have governments who out right condemn and punish such crimes they will grow in atrocity.
    • Jonathan Henderson I do not endorse any sort of behavior. When I said what I did, Mr. Flagg, I referred to past trends geopolitically; it was purely an objective observation and analysis from my perspective as a person with degrees in History and Political Science. 

      Afghanistan was not the lone source of historical blunder that did not become readily apparent for nearly 20 years following the Oliver North brokerage of the arms-for-hostages deals which Reagan took full responsibility for his administration's involvement, whether or not he himself signed the order(s) to engage in these transactions with the Ayatollah's government. With regards to Britain, I understand through reading that Prime Minister Thatcher had a business relationship with Augusto Pinochet of Chile for his role in aiding the Royal Navy in taking down the Argentine military during the Falklands conflict. The coup de gras regarding this was her advocating during the late 1990s for Spain to release him from his incarcerated state and to have him extradited to London, where your Home Secretary Jack Straw housed him and did not force Pinochet to stand trial, citing the reason being on medical grounds. 

      I try as a historian to read into historical issues with two thoughts in place. The first is to of course compare the standards of the past to those of today followed by the attempt to analyze the changing trends in mood, culture, what the catalysts behind the movement for change were, and finally why it affected who (all) initiated these major changes in the social and cultural dynamics which then alter governments' roles in how it implements polity while being mindful that in this endeavor, how the spirit of the laws will impact the general will who granted the state its role as the sovereign - a very Rousseauan philosophy espoused in his landmark 1762 treatise "The Social Contract." By comparing what once was to the present standards, researching followed by answering why addresses the second step as the integral ingredient of the former. 

      In the end, do keep in mind that in terms of reading what did happen as it was recorded via as little as a simple consensus among our historians and archivists, history will always be read through a perfect 20/20 lense. Then again afterwards, you find that scholars will diverge in how these events are interpreted. Objectivists in the mold of Ayn Rand are like myself, more prone to read verbatim as we would the legal codes the events as they occurred and then track a chain reaction akin to what I like to refer to a the pebble effect, where a person might skip a pebble across a pond and as it bounces atop of the water to the opposite end, taking pains to carefully observe, to note how one ripple engages in a chain reaction representative to those of the same throughout time. A revisionist will simply adjust details through alterations in language or dissociative of a clear account of what actually occurred due to a great deal of interpretation and conjecture stifling the capacity just to differentiate empirical data from what is tantamount to psychoanalysis. Revisionism is the subject of change in harmony with the definition of the broad philosophy of empiricism; epistemology deals strictly with what a historian is taught by way of propositional knowledge's acquisition via recorded experiences.
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    • Ken Flagg Well Jonathan, or if you prefer, Mr Henderson, I took it that as you asserted you were a Reaganite you endorsed his actions. Regarding Mrs Thatcher, I am aware our whole political system and media here in the UK is also fully geared to deceiving the public about their motives. Unlike you I do not feel I can take a dispassionate clinical view of this Having read the memoirs of quite a few former CIA officers, some from very high ranks,I feel we have to expose the rank hypocrisy to which we are subjected which is why I come to places like this to post articles fromwww.globalresearch.ca
       and Brasschecktv mainly. Anyway, thanks for a rational response at least.
    • Jonathan Henderson Oh, no problem, Mr. Flagg. I do admit to being a regular voter for Republican Party candidates here, but when someone asks me what my political ideology is, I state that I am a conservative-libertarian. You know at least through your Tories what your brand of conservatism is as it appears more consistent perhaps with Edmund Burke, but ours tend to lean almost in perfect harmony with John Locke's classical liberalism principles within his Second Treatise of Civil Government (1689) which influenced the authoring of your Bill of Rights which transferred the role of lawmaking from the monarchy to Parliament in closing the Glorious Revolution, the forced abdication of the last Stuart monarch (James II) and the coronation of William and Mary of Orange. He also inspired many of Thomas Jefferson's more Americanized concepts within such landmark documents as the Declaration of Independence (July 4, 1776; our Independence Day) or his insistence before rendering support for the Constitution that there be a bill of rights, his authoring the Statute for Religious Freedom for the State of Virginia (1782?) which disestablished the Church of England in Virginia and granted all faiths their right to worship as they so chose, and the very controversial concept behind what we call nullification within his Kentucky Resolutions (1798) which were in response to his assertion that President John Adams' signing the Alien and Sedition Acts (1798, in response to stifle public demonstrations or seditious speech against the federal government during the Quasi War with France) to repress anti-government speech or writing in newspapers and pamphlets and since this was true, the states had the right to nullify laws that were unconstitutional or could secede from the union. (In other words, Jefferson's idea behind nullification led to the heated debates over the slavery controversy and ultimately, civil war. 

      To give you an idea, for example, I believe that paraphrased, Locke stated that the social compact a people enter into with a government is solely for the it to protect their rights to "life, liberty... and property." Jefferson, however, wrote within the body of the Declaration the following:

      "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator certain unalienable rights, that among these are the rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
    • Steven Templeton WOW Jonathan, you really are brainwashed. Educate yourself. http://scgnews.com/the-fall-of-iraq-what-youre-not-being...
    • Dee Hunt Jonathan Henderson ...you really ought to know that your proxy force Brothers in Arms are Al Queda=Al CIAda, ISIS ... trained in Jordan by the finest marines (royal variety included), armed and supported by the US-F-UKers repeat, repeat, repeat war criminals nations - who remain intent on destroying each of the Axis of Resistance m.east nations and balkanizing them into small, weak, warring sectarian cantons .... as we see in the US-F-UKers war against Syria - and Stage 2 of what we are seeing in Iraq now :

      - Kurdistan already split off during US-UK illegal war and occupation
      - IEIL=Islamic Emirate of Iraq & Levant= Daash=ISIS / ISIL- headed by Prince Abdul Rahman and overseen by U.S., UK, French and Saudi officers .... conjoined to the oil juicy fields of Syria held by the self same proxy troops armed and supported by Al CIAda-MI5/6-Mossad et al ... also likely to be split off .... the contracts regained by the Anglo Americans (lost to China under Maliki) ..... and a pipeline of oil at cut prices to that WMD armed Khazar Military Colony of imported Europeans feigning some religious hocus pocus for being there.

      For it is mainly for the benefit of that of that Khazar colony whose leaders embody (ashka)NAZI conduct and who intend annexing land from the Nile, beyond Damascus, to the Euphrates .... and will do so with the support of neo Sykes Pico war criminal nations US-F-UK dominating UNSC. ..... and of course - reclaiming the oil contracts, power and domination of the most unbenign intent US-UK blood suckers.

      Why do you think US saying it "doesn't have intel" to be able to go fight ISIS ??? HAHAHAHA !!!
    • Ken Flagg I think Mr Henderson's points have their place in the broader spectrum of things but he is obviously an expert in his field and I would need to spend much longer than I can spare to take on board the points he makes. Another opinion I would like to tender is that to post views along the lines of Steven and Dee if you live in the US is inviting a swat team of multifarious federal agencies to batter your door down, charge in with dogs and guns and drag you away on trumped up charges so if I was Mr Henderson I would present myself as he does. Not to say that is that he may not be perfectly honest in what he says. I would like to see this discussion carried on in a more prominent area of this site if we can do that. The chances of people happening on it here are somewhat slim I think. Just posting comments on original post might do it rather than replying to comments on posts.
    • Jonathan Henderson Dee, I know you are correct about intelligence, because we are experiencing the Obama administration here stonewalling Congress constantly in ascertaining evidence to investigate the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). In fact, if you have read any media reports at all about the IRS hearings, their representative at its congressional hearing informed our committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), that they had "lost" more than two years worth of former IRS director Lois Lerner's logged E-mails which contained vital information about what had occurred during that time when the majority of the most egregious abuses of Obama's opposition within the conservative, libertarian and religious non-profit ranks occurred; and as I am speaking to you about this, there are still reports of more organizations being audited, their tax-exempt statuses being revoked due to alleged violations or dangers to the democratic processes. We also have the Benghazi investigation too, where the head of that committee, the popular up and coming GOP Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) has received death threats from pro-Obama figures and organizations if he continues digging for facts regarding why we were funding Benghazi militants and why just two days ago the mastermind of that cell who engaged in that attack was just apprehended suddenly during the hearings out of the blue when this could have happened in theory at any prior moment to avoid detracting attention from the actual investigation into why as Obama and Hillary Clinton were listening to reports of this occurring at the exact time it transpired that there was no order for reinforcements made; furthermore, why did Obama as well as Sec. Clinton and their staff(s) start sending E-mails to create talking points about the affair prior to the actual attack at the Libyan Embassy?

      We also are experiencing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants flooding across our borders that were order to be almost completely unmanned by Obama. There are figures who upon being arrested in Texas were found to be gang members, members of deadly drug cartels, and even Syrian civilians and other suspicious Middle Eastern peoples of origin who are being observed, detained and interrogated. Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) has order a crackdown at the border by state law enforcement since Obama has refused to send reinforcement to enforce federal laws at the border along the Rio Grande. With thousands of refugee children, also from across the border, being trucked to in some cases, schools that are out for summer, the president did not wait to send the proposed bill to Congress to have it debated and voted upon because he knew it would be trashed in the House and never make it to his Democrat-controlled Senate. He has already made it known that he does not respect congressional authority and that he will simply sign bills into law and not enforce them, or just issue an indefinite number of executive orders if he cannot get what he wants out of Congress. In other words, we have become a police state governed by a tyrannical dictator.
    • Jonathan Henderson (This is a reply I wrote to a retired attorney and History professor named Tara Ross. There are a few minor revisions in the form of additions to this version, but it will give you an abstract to consider since I am attempting to restore the draft to this with cited sources which were started in the weeks leading to the Russian invasion of the Crimean Peninsula.)

      Tara, this is no coincidence, and I do not mean why Sgt. Bergdahl sought asylum with the Taliban. President Obama has a pro-Islamic agenda, and we know his policies are so heavily in favor of the Arab League and Iran that it is rumored that he is still reportedly considering ordering a covert operation to throw a coup d'etat of the Netanyahu government in Israel. Considering the president is arming Islamic fundamentalists which are subsidiaries of, and directly to, al Qaeda in the Syrian theatre of the Arab Spring that have slaughtered entire villages of Christians which the mainstream media chose to ignore, that the president chose to throw his support behind the Erdogan government in Turkey despite mass rioting in such cities as the capital of Ankara and the largest city of Istanbul (Constantinople), has opted to bail out of Iraq not because too many of our troops were still dying - when President Bush left the White House, those figures were at their lowest points - but because the potential for a reprisal of anarchical chaos would serve to initiate a serious state of unrest in Iran - which was amid a regime change where Hassan Rouhani now holds Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's position as president would lend itself to a potential invasion of the newly-formed Iraqi national government just learning to embrace democracy; and all the while in Syria, President Rouhani has engaged in funding the training and provisions of arms and manpower to multiple factions within the conflict that are killing Christians are intent upon forcing the abdication of the Assad government in Damascus in order to implement another Islamic republic government under Sharia.
    • Jonathan Henderson (Cont'd)

      Why did Barack Obama so vehemently oppose the second regime change just a year after the toppling of the Mubarak dictatorship in Egypt but not the first? Because of his close association with the Muslim Brotherhood, in which there are rumors of several key officials within that party are now employed by the Obama White House (some claim the wife of Anthony Weiner, Huma Abedin, is one official within the party), and that the president is funding so heavily the Syrian rebels who as mentioned are subsidiaries of al Qaeda because as part of the recent revolution in Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood figures in Damascus were swept out of government. When you consider that each of these entities are linked to the Taliban - recall that since the 1980s, al Qaeda has operated most of its initiatives within the Afghan state under the Taliban - then there is indeed an agenda; what you are watching here including with the unraveling of the Benghazi scandal's details is in fact no coincidence. Boko Haram has been linked to al Qaeda; and while the president paid lip service to "bringing back our girls" with hashtags and his usual bellicose rhetoric, he has ordered no publicly-acknowledged military operation or presence, no known intervention nor have we read of a covert initiative to take down the organization via proxy warfare. And if the leftist media have not acknowledged this as so, why would the vast majority of them choose to ignore an Obama presidential military directive when it its primary agenda in the cases of MSNBC and CNN is to glorify him? The Nigerian government in Lagos has launched a full-scale assault on Boko Haram and has pledged to fight an eternal war on terror. They are taking action. Obama, though, is choosing to sit on his hands for all the above reasons.

      President Obama calls his foreign policy methods publicly "calculus." To me, they are highly selective foreign policy initiatives that on the surface do not appear to exemplify any links to one another except for his very obvious shift favoring the Islamic states of the Near East. The fact that we still have essences of the Arab Spring transpiring in both Syria and in my opinion, Turkey, predicates what I fear is about to ensue: with each state having transferred via revolution from a virtual secular dictatorship in all by name only to one where the citizens who toppled the old regimes created an Islamic republic of theocratic absolutist rulers which were nearly all funded in some capacity by the Obama State Department during the Clinton years, I believe that the eventual formation of the first caliphate in an official capacity since the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1924 is to occur at some point, and not a matter of "if." Considering the Ottoman Turks were responsible for the world's first acknowledged genocide of between 1 and 2 million Armenian Orthodox Christians guilty of apostasy against the Sharia rule of law, this is a dangerous possibility. The president not only has done nothing to object to these patterns continuing to occur as if its own version of the Cold War-era Domino Theory, he has encouraged it. We are not only in danger as are our NATO allies since these nations are closely tied to Moscow and Beijing, but Israel stands to be wiped out by a caliphate or any combination of one or more alliances as the actual Arab League at present is populated by approximately 400 million Muslims. This all ties to oil, not merely within the Middle East and Russia's ties to the Iranian national oil company, but with the disputed Russian/Ukrainian pipelines that extend into Eastern Europe which Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden, director of the Burisma Oil Holdings, into northern Turkey, through the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan and into Siberia, before finally reaching northern China, which just signed a trade pact with Russia in a protectionist endeavor to control those oil pipelines with its nationalized oil company Chinese National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and the Russian firm Gazprom. China is already on the brink of war with Japan over the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, which on the surface appears to be just a fishing settlement in the East China Sea, but what others do not know is how it is a hub for oil. China continues to expand its maritime boundaries and invading islands in the South China Sea, and there are now threats for military armed conflict with the Philippines and now Vietnam over oil. Let us not forget too how the Iranian oil pipeline crosses Afghanistan through Pakistan and India, and there is a great deal of jockeying in attempting to finalize a protectionist deal with one or more of those states. It might be how we determine whether India or Pakistan will be our friend or foe.
    • Jonathan Henderson The U.S. legally is obligated to defend South Korea from the North as Seoul is still at war with Pyongyang since the ceasefire is based upon an armistice; Japan as part of the Unconditional Surrender terms from World War II although Tokyo has the right today to vote in parliament to fully militarize; and in 1979 under the Carter administration, Congress passed a law called the Taiwan Relations Act, which recognized the People's Republic of China as the one true China and welcomed Beijing into the UN, but also pledged our role to protect Taipei's interests in the case of foreign aggression. This shift in Pacific foreign and military objectives comes on the heels of these conflicts, while Russia and China are now each shifting their sights for trade and, ultimately, military influence to Latin America, which is why they are so fervidly supporting the Maduro regime's efforts to remain in power in Venezuela while some suggest that the U.S. has been funding the rebel alliance to topple the regime in Caracas. Venezuela is an OPEC state; Russia and China would stand to gain substantially with a foothold in our sphere of influence within the Western Hemisphere, which we too are obliged to protect under both the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary. Let us not forget in Europe, too, our NATO obligations and the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 signed by President Clinton, British Prime Minister John Major, Russia's Boris Yeltsin and the president of Ukraine which legally binds the U.S. and Britain to defend Ukraine in the event of an invasion by Russia.

      There too is the issue regarding the instability in Thailand as it now is governed by a military junta following the recent deposition of its parliament and prime minister. As the government in Bangkok is part of the Golden Triangle alongside Myanmar (Burma) and Laos, the epicenter is the Myanmar Oil and Gas Enterprise, "the main channel for laundering the revenues of heroin produced and exported under the control of the Myanmar army." According to a confidential MOGE file reviewed by the investigators, funds exceeding $60 million and originating from Myanmar's most renowned drug lord, Khun Sa, were channeled through the company. "Drug money is irrigating every economic activity in Myanmar, and big foreign partners are also seen by the SLORC as big shields for money laundering." Banks in Rangoon offered money laundering for a 40% commission. The information about the Golden Triangle may be procured in its Wikipedia article.http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)



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      The Golden Triangle (Burmese: ေရႊႀတိဂံ နယ္ေျမ, IPA: [ʃwè tɹḭɡàɴ nɛ̀mjè]; Thai: ส... See More
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Simon Allen In the words of Winston Churchill "jaw jaw always better than war war". let's hope it works out.
  • Lennie Piracy Epic foolishness.
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  • Angie Aston I wouldn't trust the Iranians as far as I could throw them, lived for 2 years in Iran, I remember clearly the storming of the American embassy, those people were held hostage for months and months and treated very badly. Iran is definitely no friend of the West.
    Like · Reply · 5 · June 17 at 12:26pm · Edited
    • Farisa Saedi Iran is not just its governers ,dont misundrestand our people with our governers
    • Steven Templeton Angie, Nothing like tarnishing an entire country with the same brush. By your reckoning, then all Americans must be evil despots like Bush, but thankfully they are not. British politicians are no friend of the British people. I would sooner trust the Iranian people than any despot politician from the three main political parties. Go UKIP!
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Charlie Marks with all your warmongering and threats you now go crawling for help for the very people you wanted to remove from the face of the earth a few months age. Is this the honour, integrity, and sense of justice that constitutes British values?
    Like · Reply · 4 · June 17 at 1:22pm
  • Aysha Jaigirdar Awesome,I wud love to work in Tehran
    Like · Reply · 4 · June 17 at 9:02am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Neill Graham About time too. Iran is a friend of UK
    Like · Reply · 3 · June 17 at 11:43am
    • Steven Templeton It wasn't that long ago when Cameron visited Israel and was calling Iran and it's new leader a despot regime. Cameron and Hague are clueless when it comes to making friends. They are great at making enemies though.
    • Neill Graham They are far from clueless. International diplomacy is a very difficult subject. We need a strong Iran. We need them to
      Help fight Islamic extremism. It's Saudi Arabia that is causing all the trouble
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Syrian Mission Are you going to do the same in Syria !
    Like · Reply · 3 · June 17 at 9:57am
  • Alistair Butters We have to negotiate with our enemy to achieve what needs achieving.
    I dislike the idea of negotiating with Tehran as I disliked negotiating with terrorist organisations in Northern Ireland.
    There comes a time when talking will solve a problem which 1000 bombs left behind.
    Like · Reply · 3 · June 17 at 9:08am · Edited
  • SirAbdalla Noor It's new policy for the west they want to use Iran to prevent sunni militias who are occupying most of Iraq nothing else
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 3:46pm
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Andrew Shivji Well done sir.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 12:19pm
  • Jacqueline Horsfield Let the Arab states fix it, keep the fuk out of it, it's none of our business, look after the British People first. Get Britain of its knees and put all the foreign aid into the pockets of the disabled and elderly who built this country. Forget about the phoney wars. We need new thinking in Government and we need to get rid of all the toffs that haven't a clue about reality. By the way Mr, Hague you and your friends will all need to get jobs after the next election.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 11:14am
  • Peter Khoury Although I appreciate that talking between nations is a far better avenue for peace then war, I am very sceptical to the timing. This will be seen for what it is; a hypocritical and cynical move by the UK government pandering to the US. I'm in favour and supportive of the achievements of this government over the past 4 years but this decision is distasteful and with it goes the moral high ground that this government seeks to maintain.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 10:52am · Edited
  • David Croc Johnson At last...Persians ( Iranians ) are Proud people & want to engage with the west rather than destroy it.. unlike others I could mention.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 10:36am
  • Stuart Livett I am happy to see Iran engaged by the UK government. Iran can be a useful foreign policy partner.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 10:10am
  • Darren Kingsexgod Hurst let more muslims in, theres a few english schools have not been taking over yet, u need more help to sell off britain?
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 9:12am
  • Jonathan Fulford Huge supporter of you Mr Hague but this an act of epic foolhardyness.
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 8:57am
  • Saeed MJ Hope to see that embassy in Tehran soon!
    Like · Reply · 5 · June 17 at 8:49am
  • Ara Rashid Mans a walking disaster 
  • Billy Orafferrty In the main these comments can be classified as ill informed Tosh. William Hague is a professional politician who long ago realised that scruples morals and ethics have little to do with the world of real politique which we all inhabit whether we like it or not. Persia is an ancient seat of learning and civilization whom after the last election has demonstrated a more liberal manner of governance in particular in its attitude to womens rights with the president having the temerity and confidence to stand firm in the face of opposition from The ayatollah designated supreme and all powerful leader. This warrants acknowledgment and if Britain sees fit to reopen its Embassy in Tehran this has to be a step in the right direction!
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 7:52pm
  • Hamidreza Zarifinia As an Iranian, i am very sad, because you again trust Islamic regime and their game.
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 5:42pm
  • Rasha Othman This is the dumbest move yet.
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 3:42pm
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Michael Bose Hebron is under siege. Leave the oil alone and go protect the innocent Palestinian children!!
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 11:22am
  • Sassan K. Darian An epic mistake
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 10:59am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 10:38am
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  • Robbie Crouch So now it suits them because they need the Iranians to step in and fix Iraq... talk about making the wolf boss... 
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 10:20am
  • منصور زيد That is good.reopen ur embassy in south arabia also.
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 10:20am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Amin Malek Thank you so much
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 9:08am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Gary Jennings What next, the lies of press TV back on...
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 9:06am
  • Abdurahman Ahmed that is good action, but why the westerns always hide them self's whats going on inside Iran like Affirmative actions , and huge pressure on freedom .
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 9:06am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Gary Jennings Talk about going backwards instead of forward. Talking to the terrorists of Iran.
    Like · Reply · 1 · June 17 at 9:05am
    • Jonathan Henderson
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Kourosh Madani Islamic Republic of Iran is a terrorist regime
    Like · Reply · 3 · June 17 at 9:33am
  • Jess Jephcott Stay out of Iran Mr Hague. Has history taught you nothing? Are you fit for your job?
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 10:07am
  • Leon Brake You will lose my vote !!
    Like · Reply · 2 · June 17 at 9:38am
    • Jonathan Henderson
  • Anna Giddings Why for once will you not stand up to Israel? . They are killing children. Taking over homes. Attacking Gaza as ever. Children are being killed every day. Do something. We can all see what's going on and you do nothing.
  • Alan N Sandra Alderson Its easy to over think this and to make grand political statements, postures and gestures and deride worthy efforts, I for one think any movement in restoring relations and building any form of relationship is a very positive step. Good on you Will.
    Like · Reply · 2 hours ago · Edited
  • Ken Flagg Congratulations to Obama on putting up a brilliant façade and looking the picture of innocence at his Iraq press conference just now. Nobody would think he and his allies are funding both sides in the conflict in accordance with long standing policies to Balkanise and control the region. No territorial ambitions indeed ? What a joke, who profits from the oil revenues, who set up the central banking ? Who profited from the supply of arms and the reconstruction contracts handed out without competition. You've got to laugh..
  • Angie Aston The Ayatollahs are still the ones in charge over there, they do not like the West, it's foolish in the extreme to think they can be trusted.
  • Steven Templeton Whatever you do Iran, don't trust Hague, he'll stab you in the back. You might as well get into bed with the devil.
  • Bob Hamilton Yeah, right....Just staff it with 2 Para and NO restrictions!
  • Michael Wright And a good job to.
  • Vahid William Zati Thank you MrWilliam Hague . It's best idea.
  • Mark Fisher Mainstream media outlets have been regaling Western audiences with headlines like 'A powerful and merciless force has emerged on the world stage', and 'Black flag of jihad will fly over London', and encouraging us to view 'terrifying execution images' to the point that we start to get the impression that someone, somewhere, really wants to scare us, albeit in a crassly theatrical way.

    What we are witnessing in Iraq and Syria today is indeed largely theater, designed and performed by psychopaths for the purpose of terrifying the masses of humanity into accepting the rule of the same psychopaths. While the action plays out in real life in cities and towns, and with real people suffering and dying, the underlying philosophy is similar to ....http://www.sott.net/.../280559-Psycho-Reality-Creators...

  • Abdulkadir M. Musse we the world are not welcoming to have close working relation with IRAN, because Iran never declare clearly to abstain their Nuclear project.
  • Mehmetali Salih It is a time , maybe we are a bit late , good news to our economy
  • Olufemi Ehinolajumos i believe the iranians or those concern will see good reasons to this speeches
  • Rahim Abadie Mld Very goooooood
  • أدهم سمير we hope of united kingdom to decide that by self, not for just following united stat, you are just follwoing her to war, following her to peace, 
    this is miserable ..
  • Mohammad Bandegian appreciate about it Mr hague .Its time to respect iranian poeple . hope to new better days
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Monday, June 9, 2014

The Saga of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and His Father Robert Bergdahl Continues, 2 June 2014: The Administration's Inch Has Robert Bergdahl Demand the Whole Nine Yards

THE SAGA CONTINUES: THE POO HAS HIT THE FAN!


As this story is unfolding like a very bad, very real soap opera, it will be pointless for me to simply write my obligatory ode to War and Peace by Russian literary giant Leo Tolstoy daily. However, there will still be my commentary, along with other key political figures analyses of this very serious breach of our national security by not only the president, but Bob Bergdahl through his son, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, too. It appears that the two very lengthy but informative blogs from last summer connecting stories of the Islamic end of days to Barack Obama are at the very least proving to be startling coincidences; I do not wish to sound as if I am Bob Jones serving to each one of my loyal readers whom I appreciate dearly a laced glass of Kool-Aid after we all have taken a flight down to Guyana. For starters, I do not particularly fancy the taste of cyanide even though it was a very important line in the lyrics of AC/DC's "Dirty Deeds." Secondly, that very peculiar rascal, Rev. Jim Jones, was a A-1 nut boy to consider celebrating the rapture means killing all of your congregation inside your own settlement of Jonestown. Third, while I do not disagree at all with what the late former New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison uncovered during his investigation into the JFK assassination, I am not yet ready to engage in an assault on the White House or apparently the Taliban and other Islamic extremists until we know that definitely there is, in fact, more than meets the eye. As we are now into the third day of this very disturbing event, I am paying very close attention regarding what transpires and what we may learn through political intrigue and theory, as well of course through the annals of history, to analyze and interpret each very crucial detail. That does not mean, however, we should not engage in this activity as time elapses so that we may be prepared to always remain free.

I want to first call attention to what I already knew, but not in terms of a direct translation. According to former Florida congressman Allen West, himself a veteran, what Bob Bergdahl said in Arabic has enormous significance; it is the first detail to why we understand this incident is so enormously disturbing despite the means by which his was retrieved: the swap of five prisoners from the Taliban inside of Guantanamo Bay for Bowe, who is widely despise by those within the military as a traitor who deserted his unit and cost several troops' lives attempting to locate him. I will paste the words Rep. West from his website Allen B. West wrote below which he acquired from a lady named Claire Lopez, a former CIA operative: 
Clare Lopez is a former CIA operations officer, a strategic policy and intelligence expert with a focus on Middle East, national defense, WMD, and counterterrorism issues, and a friend of mine.

She emailed me this morning a very poignant analysis that only someone knowing language and Islam could ascertain. She wrote:
“What none of these media is reporting is that the father’s (SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father Bob) first words at the WH were in Arabic – those words were “bism allah alrahman alraheem” – which means “in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful” – these are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur’an except one (the chapter of the sword – the 9th) – by uttering these words on the grounds of the WH, Bergdahl (the father) sanctified the WH and claimed it for Islam. There is no question but POTUS knows this.
Folks, there is a lot to this whole episode — like Benghazi — that we may never know. And this is not conspiracy theory, it is truth based upon Arabic and Islamic dogma and tradition.
And here’s the video if you have any questions.
Tags: Benghazi, Bowe Bergdahl, Qur'an

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And there you go. We each knew well that he was speaking in Arabic, that there was a reason he truly decided to speak in Arabic as opposed to his son's native English. Also, this was not the language spoken by native Afghani civilians where Bowe was held captive; that language is Pashto, which I will provide for each of you below information of its origins courtesy of Afghan Network:
PASHTO 8,000,000 in Afghanistan (1989), 50% of the population; East, south, and southwest. Dialects: GHILZAI, DURRANI. Since the early 1930's the Afghan government has been exerting considerable effort to standardize and publicize the language. One of the two official languages taught in schools and used everywhere around the country. The people are called 'Pukhtoon' in the north and 'Pushtoon' in the south. The Ghilzai speakers are nomadic and 24% of the national population. The Durrani are urban people, 20%, live in permanent settlements. Clans are: Mohmand, Ghilzai, Durrani, Yusufzai, Afridi, Kandahari (Qandahari), Waziri, Chinwari (Shinwari), Mangal, Wenetsi. Kandahari is the standard dialect, in Kandahar, a major city. National language. Mainly Hanafi Sunni Muslim. (More info on Pashtuns)
Pashtuns Of Afghanistan
The PATHAN (Pashtun) people form the dominant ethnic and linguistic community, accounting for just over half the population. Tribally organized, the Pathan are concentrated in the east and the south. As they gained control over the rest of the country in the 19th century, however, many of them settled in other areas too. The Pashtuns mostly speak Pashtu (although some residing in Kabul and other urban areas speak Dari) and are generally Sunni Muslims. They are divided into tribal and sub-tribal groups to which they remain loyal. These tribal divisions have been the source of conflict among Pashtuns throughout their history. Even today, the Pashtun parties are divided along tribal lines. The majority of Pashtuns make their living off of animal husbandry and agriculture as well as some trade. In Afghanistan, Pashtuns have traditionally resided in a large semi-circular area following the Afghan border form north of the Darya-e-Morgab east and southward to just north of the 35' latitude. Enclaves of Pashtuns live scattered among other ethnic groups in much of the rest of the country, especially in the northern regions and in the western interior due to the resettlement policies of Amir Abdul Rahman Khan, who ruled Afghanistan from 1880 to 1901.
From its founding in 1747 by Ahmad Shah Durrani, Afghanistan has traditionally been dominated by the Pashtuns, who before 1978 constituted a 51% minority in the country. However, as a result of the 1979 Soviet invasion the population distribution in Afghanistan has changed. About 85% of the 6.2 million Afghan refugees who fled to Iran and Pakistan and around the World due to the Russian invasion and the war that followed it are Pashtuns. This, accordingly, lowered the percentage of Pashtuns inside Afghanistan temporarily and raised the percentages of the country's other ethnic groups. By the mid-1990s many of the refugees returned restoring the Pashtuns to their status of the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan constituting about 45% of the population.
The Soviet invasion of December 1979 has been the major determining factor in Afghanistan's ethnic relations since that point in time. From that time Until mid-1991 the various factions of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan, all dominated by Pashtuns, controlled the country's government. All other factions either opposed or aligned themselves with the PDPA (with most in the opposition), including several Pashtun factions. It is not within the scope of this chronology to document the constant shifts in alliances between various factions, both between the opposition and government camps and within them. However, it should be noted that most of the factions were ethnically homogeneous and were engaging in a constant shifting of alliances worthy of traditional balance of power theory and continue to do so today. The Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 has only affected the power relations among the country's various factions but has not changed the fact that they are in constant competition with each other.
The Dari-speaking TAJIK are the second-largest community, accounting for approximately 25% of the population. They are strongly identified with sedentary farming and town life, mostly in the fertile eastern valleys north and south of the Hindu Kush. Some 11% of the population are Turkic, mostly UZBEK and TURKMEN, who live in the northern plains as farmers and herders. The central mountains yield a meager living to some 1.1 million HAZARAS, a Mongoloid people who mostly speak Persian. There are many smaller communities, the most important of which are the NURISTANIS of the high mountains of the east and the BALUCH of the desert south.
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You each now understand why it is significant that Mr. Bergdahl spoke in Arabic and not Pashto. In fact, there is no region of Afghanistan where a significant population of Arab-speaking peoples reside; the nation does not even border an Arab state, as Iran is Persian and speaks Farsi, nor do the people of Pakistan. When the media reported this phrase, they mentioned from my recollection how he told his son he is his father; there was no mention within my reading unless my notoriously-poor memory does not recollect about any Arabic used nor what it meant. According to The New York Daily News, the only words uttered in a foreign language was in fact the Pashto phrase for "I'm your father":
But there is a long recovery ahead. Bob Bergdahl said his son is “having trouble speaking English.”
“The complicated nature of this recovery will really never be comprehended,” he said.
Sporting a bushy beard that he grew in solidarity with his missing son, the elder Bergdahl made some of his remarks in the Pashto language.
“I’m your father, Bowe,” he said.
His son somehow lost most of his command of the English language in Taliban captivity. To this point, I have yet to procure information as to whether Sen. John McCain did so himself while in captivity for five and a half years in North Vietnam.

The true smoking gun which was very rarely mentioned over the past several years was Sgt. Bergdahl's admission of ex-patriotism. Within the same article is an account of his correspondences with Bob:
In one of his final emails to his parents, Bergdahl outlined his complaints about the military and expressed his disgust over how the war was being waged.
“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of U.S. soldier is just the lie of fools,” he wrote in the June 27 email. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”
If Bergdahl did walk away from his unit, he could be charged with being absent without leave or desertion.
A senior U.S. official told The Associated Press on Saturday that the Army would make the decision on any charges, but the feeling at the moment was that he had suffered enough in his ordeal.
Bergdahl’s release near the Pakistan border occurred without any violence. Multiple helicopters and surveillance aircraft backed up the special forces that made the handoff.
In a statement on the Taliban website, the group announced the exchange with “great happiness and joy.”
We see what Sgt. Bergdahl stated; he as same as told his parents that he had become an ex-patriot. The response from the Taliban was most peculiar: the exchange was received with "great happiness and joy." Having followed national and geopolitical systems in varying degrees since I was 19 and a freshman in college, I know well that I have never listened to nor read such a reaction as to from Islamic extremists; I have only known threats to kill all American infidels. As Obama was declared to be "the promised warrior" by the Egyptian media in 2009 as he proclaimed his policies to lean almost solely in favor of the Arab League and the Palestinian Authority over Israel, this is but one question I now have as to the purpose behind this act of negotiating with the Taliban.

More Tweets Dated June 2, 2014:
As this very serious state of affairs is the latest in the Obama soap opera carousel of scandals, I would not dare leave you, my loyal and faithful readers, deprived of more tweeted fodder from Robert Bergdahl:
Bob Bergdahl now tweeting for more Guantanamo releases
Posted at 8:57 pm on June 1, 2014 by Twitchy Staff | View Comments





Friday, June 6, 2014

June 5, 2014: The Tenth Anniversary of Mourning in America - Ronald Wilson Reagan (6 February 1911 - 5 June 2004)

In Loving Memory of Ronald Wilson Reagan: 6 February 1911 - 5 June 2014

Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States: 6 February 1911 - 5 June 2004

My dear friends and patriots, as we each seek to restore the American paradise we lost so many years ago and yet it still seems as if we just basked within its fountains of El Dorado one day ex post facto, I want to take a moment a share with each individual still free of heart to read, to listen and in serving in what society today diagnoses as a mental health malady known as an empath for the nation we love, the path we choose to meander, the sanctity of life we cherish and for which each one of us is so precious that others find this very premium upon it that we place as unenlightened and indignant to learned demagogues speaking indecencies which bleed outside of our aural cavities like molten hot lava erupting from her smoldering magma vents in subterrain to pay tribute to a modern political colossus not just of the American epoch of human liberty and our necessity to preserve the right to simply pledge of what Thomas Jefferson inscribed within the nomenclature of the Declaration of Independence as our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor on this, the tenth anniversary of what once had always been morning in America that had suddenly metastasized as if that silent pillager of the mind robbed a man who always credited the American people with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the final toppling of major communist regimes geopolitically and in the national economic expansion, Ronald Wilson Reagan. To the world, Ronnie, as only his lovely wife Nancy and his staunchest political ally, confidante and ideological bookend in the form of Margaret Thatcher is seen by conservative and yes, many libertarian ideologues alike, as a venerable figure who bordered upon necessitating the processes to beatify him as a patron saint for restoring to a once-proud nation the America it had always known in confidence, in prosperity, but most significantly as his oft-quoted line in reference to Rev. John Winthrop as the puritan town leader of the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, as the shining city upon a hill which he detailed upon the occasion he formally bid his fellow Americans goodbye as the following:
"The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the shining "city upon a hill." The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important, because he was an early Pilgrim - an early "Freedom Man." He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat, and, like the other pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free.
I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind swept, God blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace - a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors, and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here."
And in harmony, she stood tall, that shining city upon a hill, as if we could simply reach out our hands and just touch, to feel Jesus preaching to the willing congregation his landmark Sermon on the Mount, who through our Lord and Savior may we accredit with this concept and for our salvation and the liberty to choose to live as a free people. Yet Reagan would have been horrified that some of his most staunch supporters among the American people would grant him the title of a patron saint because while our sitting president today borders on narcissistic rage and delusionary self-exaltation to the role of one absolutist dictator proclaiming himself the served and not the server, the Gipper was well aware of when he was shot by John Hinckley to simply tell Nancy, "Honey, I forgot to duck."

Indeed, it was Christ who delivered that very profound, landmark verse of so many in that fabled sermon atop of a mount which stands as the standard arbiter by which we all must gauge our faith and whether we are adhering to both ours, but most significantly God's standards of fulfillment of the moral imperative. And as this sermon was recorded in Scripture in the Book of Matthew 5: 1-16, we may derive the formula as to how and why Anglo America was founded and the principles which evolved while lending a great reliance upon these traditions its creed for our manifest destiny based upon our exceptionalism:
5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
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John Rolfe, who established the first permanent settlement of Anglo America in Jamestown, Virginia in 1607, founded her an untamed wilderness very much the worse for its wear. Most died during the early days of the settlement from malaria and other diseases wrought upon the villagers residing in the marshes of the Chesapeake Bay in what today is referred to as the Old Dominion. Mother Nature did not kill their will to fight to be free, however, nor to live to prosper off the land their sweaty brows and hoes used to till the red clay of her Virginia land to grow tobacco yields to sell abroad, which the Spanish Empire imported from the West Indies and later procured for cultivation by Mr. Rolfe himself in acknowledging his accreditation of earthly sovereignty to Christ's dictum that to be free entails immersing oneself into his or her labor if the individual should wish for prosperity to be borne unto him or her as its fruits for nourishment. In this sense, President Reagan's contention of a free people endowed by our Creator with limitless possibilities for achieving our American Dream can only be prohibitive by our own design, may be assumed to reflect verse 16 of the sermon:
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Indeed, for better or worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, we are married to this blessed land bequeathed us all by Him so that through our labors may we be betrothed as she feeds upon our seeds so that the ever apropos name of Virginia to designate as a once-virgin land may for all posterity reproduce the necessitated fruits so essential to the propagation of mankind. We are indeed as a historically industrious lot having secured throughout more than 407 years of our history on this continent, the salt of the earth, having never lost what has always been inherent and omnipotent to one and all to learn from it the powers of love and hope through our faith worshipping in humble acknowledgement of how through His grace alone may we ever find salvation amid an eternal  peace of mind.

In discussing the purpose of free enterprise via the fledgling practice of mercantilism for the emerging Britannic empire, I now segue my story a few hundred miles to the north in present day Plymouth, Massachusetts. It is here where after a 66 day voyage which akin to the early days of the Jamestown settlement, saw upon the Mayflower death via this sickness so that the sacrifices they chose to set as their course for action and not rhetoric may ever have hope to blossom for future generations. And how apropos again that as one reads first of Christ's account of the shining city upon a hill followed by John Winthrop's interpretation and Ronald Reagan's reverence and modernization in applying Christ unto today's America and its role in the geopolitical climate and in faith's restoration, that venerable chartered ship anchored along the bay where her inhabitants were governed under the first known codified laws of a social contract known as the Mayflower Compact, which inflected through each individual obliged to remain committed to their godly duties that each may see law and order and a more perfect union. Such as the line within our own preamble of the Constitution which implicitly states that we are for all time always in search for a means to maintain and apply our knowledge of history and tradition, but most importantly the teachings of Jesus Christ, a more perfect union, and not any attempt to achieve an absolute model due to mankind's own fallibilities. And upon that initial step of the first foot upon what we know today is Plymouth Rock, how better may such a very seemingly non-ecclesiastical moment in human history be truly considered our gift from God of a settlement whose bedrock as its foundation was the rock along Plymouth's shore, and instilled within each man and woman's breasts their duty to serve as the lighthouse for all to guide their ships as they each sail across a darkened horizon in uncharted waters, amid a tempest's rage when Jesus stated:
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Is it any coincidence as to why Abraham Lincoln delivered the immortal line during a June 16, 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas that a house divided cannot stand? For it was also his reference here to yet another of Jesus' parables from "... a concept familiar to Lincoln's audience as a statement by Jesus recorded in all three synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke)" that we as a blessed people may draw from its strength where Honest Abe promulgated in his dicta the verbatim I will provide:
In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free.
I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
It will become all one thing or all the other.
As the reputable historian of record, Roy P. Basler, contended as true in his compilation titled Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, the echo was clear and resonated after almost exactly 126 years that one is either all or nothing; one does not simply stand in the middle of the road because that person will be ran over from the traffic on both sides. In the very American dichotomy which all choice for liberty must be answered in truth and honesty, we are either all to be enslaved, or we shall take up arms and fight to live freely. There is no half of one and a corresponding figure in diametrical opposition of force to the other. America is God's house for us to do with in justice and acknowledgment of human liberty as we so choose. We cannot live beneath a cloud of smoke adjacent to a mirror unless as Benjamin Franklin once stated, "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

As the foundation of the American ethos was predicated initially not upon the addendum of Locke's ideas of Classical Liberalism and the laws of nature but instead only Christianity, the clay beds of mud in Virginia and her brethren along the rocky soils of the harsh New England climatic terrain were still represented by the Trinity to one and all. And as this was also the principle behind President Reagan's conviction that man is not free unless government is limited... that as government expands, liberty contracts. So too may I reflect upon the late president's greatest speech which was an unofficial eulogy to the evil Soviet empire bent upon totalitarian domination of the geopolitical and cultural conscience with the immortal demand for all or nothing in defiance of the failed Cold War policy towards Moscow of Detente that appeased and acquiesced, but never saw America trusting nor believing in herself enough to ever entertain the hope to verify: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" 

I will post the immortal speech by President Reagan in its entirety courtesy of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Foundation's page of filmed speeches immediately below:



Oh, how I long for the time when grownups were in charge!

Reagan did not ask for a part followed meekly by its parcel; he demanded it all. He achieved this goal two years later; for Ronnie, it was as Margaret Thatcher inscribed in his guest book at his Washington funeral the following verse from Matthew 25:23, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."

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In Memoriam dew Princeps, Homo, Humanvs, Maritvs, Capitvlvm et Vir Maximvs:  

On the eve of an uncertain tomorrow as America continues to watch in horror and exasperation its sitting president systematically destroy all the virtues for which Ronald Reagan championed as absolute in his conviction as a man of God and his faith entrusted unto we, the people, I wish to bid to all fare thee well ad tempus of the life as a proud American I once knew so well and loved. Some claim she died at different times; Democrats will say she died when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of George W. Bush to become president in the landmark Bush v. Gore case over the disputed vote total in Florida, or as you each recall, the hanging chads. For conservatives and civil libertarians however, some state she died upon the election of Barack Obama in 2008; in posting regular replies to Bristol Palin, I sadly read the declaration on her t-shirt which stated "The United States of America: 1776 to 2009." God love Miss Palin for her spunk, infectious sense of humor, her unyielding faith in God and an intelligent young lady, but I reject that reference; as a young lady, she has not yet advanced enough in years and the corresponding experience which it can only gain through aging to firmly grasp what she does not truly comprehend about what the greatest achievement of human freedom and liberty in the history of mankind will endure as it will absorb the trends resulting in erosion that as it is natural, so too may it be altered or adapted according upon adjustment to a newly-acquired liberty through struggle in exacting its harsh measure of justice upon those who would attempt to erase our very principles for our foundation. America is very much alive and still kicking stubbornly like a five year old boy (sadly, me) who refused to be still for a streptococcus throat  culture, but she is now instead a rabid jackass too proud of its own arrogance and deceit towards those who elected him and instead chooses to dictate his sovereignty over and not that of ours that command him. America is not dead, and she is not scheduled to die from any draconian means of execution; indeed, she has been dealt a blackened right eye and her pride once so proudly upon display now sits on display as damaged goods. She can be restored, and as President Reagan from atop the heavenly skies watches over each of us as we once were his acknowledged driving force behind his successes, we at the least have a true chance to cripple President Obama come November 4's mid-term general elections. The sleeping giant may be lying in repose, but she is still the world's most formidable juggernaut still dreaming that American Dream and patiently biding her time when plans take flight into action. I part with you past midnight on June 6, D-Day's 70 anniversary, a few hours tardy by first reiterating the importance for you to cast your ballots that day and to sweep socialism with your metaphor of a broom out the front door of the Capitol. His reverence in preserving the precious commodity which are the right of man through God's begotten liberty endowed within each soul was never better articulated than with his colloquial anecdotes and idioms he expressed in his Farewell Address to the Nation dated January 11, 1989:


And as President Reagan once so eloquently wrote when he revealed to his beloved Americans free to choose to make of it as each individual wishes for the best the most of its rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (or Locke's property) his diagnosis with Alzheimer's Disease, he bid to all a fond farewell, unafraid of his journey to that undiscovered country that is by God's side at His triclinium in the following terms:
My fellow Americans,
I have recently been told that I am one of the millions of Americans who will be afflicted with Alzheimer's disease.
Upon learning this news, Nancy and I had to decide whether as private citizens we would keep this a private matter or whether we would make this news known in a public way.
In the past, Nancy suffered from breast cancer and I had cancer surgeries. We found through our open disclosures we were able to raise public awareness. We were happy that as a result many more people underwent testing. They were treated in early stages and able to return to normal, healthy lives.
So now we feel it is important to share it with you. In opening our hearts, we hope this might promote greater awareness of this condition. Perhaps it will encourage a clear understanding of the individuals and families who are affected by it.
At the moment, I feel just fine. I intend to live the remainder of the years God gives me on this earth doing the things I have always done. I will continue to share life's journey with my beloved Nancy and my family. I plan to enjoy the great outdoors and stay in touch with my friends and supporters.
Unfortunately, as Alzheimer's disease progresses, the family often bears a heavy burden. I only wish there was some way I could spare Nancy from this painful experience. When the time comes, I am confident that with your help she will face it with faith and courage.
In closing, let me thank you, the American people, for giving me the great honor of allowing me to serve as your president. When the Lord calls me home, whenever that may be, I will leave the greatest love for this country of ours and eternal optimism for its future.
I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life. I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn ahead.
Thank you, my friends.
Sincerely,
Ronald Reagan
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In reality, however, the Reagan Revolution never died either, because it was as American as apple pie. And if you were to still ask someone alive and old enough to grasp the events of our world during the 1980s, well, I believe you might find someone perhaps less articulate than the Gipper state the following: 
That's how I saw it, and see it still. How Stands the City?
And how stands the city on this winter night? More prosperous, more secure and happier than it was eight years ago. But more than that: after 200 years, two centuries, she still stands strong and true on the granite ridge, and her glow has held steady no matter what storm.
And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the Pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness, toward home.
We've done our part. And as I "walk off into the city streets," a final word to the men and women of the Reagan Revolution - the men and women across America who for eight years did the work that brought America back:
My friends, we did it. We weren't just marking time, we made a difference. We made the city stronger - we made the city freer - and we left her in good hands.
All in all, not bad. Not bad at all.
And so, goodbye.
God bless you. And God bless the United States of America.
And so long as we continue to place our faith in God we trust, if families with young children as well adolescents can still freely gather at the dinner table to engage in crucial discourses so imperative for the healthy nourishment of family values and each member's mutual love for the others ensuring a bright future for that city President Reagan spoke so fondly in his reverence will survive to one day again light the candles to guide her perilous plight sailing across twilight of a morning always worthy to recollect at its darkest hours until our ship sails clear past the tumult of her tempest's raging waves, when the ocean succumbs of the maleficence of a false prophet's evil nature. For as long as we may freely call ourselves Americans, Jesus' truest pronouncement for our eternal rendezvous with destiny will lift us from the pits of a thousand years of darkness:
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Sunday, June 1, 2014

The Saga of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and His Father Robert Bergdahl Continues: A Family of Islamic Extremists

The Full Sequence Through 5:43 PM EST Regarding Sgt. Bowe and Robert Bergdahl, Including an Alleged Eyewitness Account:


Ladies and gentlemen, if ever you needed confirmation of where the loyalties of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and his father Robert now lie, I believe the following will answer this unequivocally: the Bergdahls are a family of Islamic fundamentalists. Read the entire post. You will find that the White House, by way of Robert Bergdahl, sold us down the river by means of treason. This is not an accusation I ever make lightly, but there can be no mistaken over what I have just read within the past hour.

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(Regarding Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl)

Retrieved on Rush Limbaugh and the EIB Network's post courtesy of Saundra Burke
From someone who was in his unit:

Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF airborne) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."







Subject: My Debate with a Gang of Atheists

Ladies and gentlemen, I want you each to know how much I appreciate your patronage of this blog, your fervor to always serve as the polemics our Founding Fathers cautioned us more than two and a half centuries we must be, and the very welcomed comments, suggestions, or even criticisms of my work. However you read or respond, your comments in reply to my work are always appreciated, and if there ever is a concept of which I do not quite have a grasp or just a wrongly-reported detail, I want to know of the mistake in order to correct the error. You all make me better as a concerned American citizen fearful of the current nosedive the federal government and their state and local levels have us heading, and it is my duty so long as there is as measure of a breath or I am well enough to work hard for this truth, I will continue to do so. The truth will set us all free if only we choose to reach for its hand. It is therefore my contention that the following about God and atheism should be discussed and how at the end before I washed my hands of these individuals, there was at least a half-dozen who attacked my position over a post I made. 

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@J_indetroit I love your spirit, ma'am. It's rather comical the absurdities I find when I look at daily life. I am glad you agree with me. - 25 May

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@Dagan81 Not sure if we agree. I’m just saying non-belief does not necessitate some proof of non-existence. It’s just non-belief. :-)
   
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@J_indetroit It appears that atheists are turning to "intelligent design" to explain "creationism." But why not spontaneity? A process? - 25 May

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@J_indetroit Juli, you just sat there and told me they stand for nothing. Are you pulling a U-Turn and saying "nothing" is "no gods"?

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@Dagan81 I said atheism stands for nothing. It is not a doctrine. That doesn't mean atheists don't stand for many things (they do).
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@J_indetroit Furthermore, since you know what about the issue enough to play Devil's Advocate, what is your definition of "atheism"
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@J_indetroit And if atheism is something they truly felt strongly about, why didn't they stay put as atheists? Theories must not be enough.
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@J_indetroit And, again, I ask you on your end: If you did not know what I meant by "they," who do you mean by "they"?
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@J_indetroit Furthermore, since you know what about the issue enough to play Devil's Advocate, what is your definition of "atheism"
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@J_indetroit It is a very self-serving position. If it isn't based upon anything - and no gods is "nothing" - they exalt themselves as gods.
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