Subject: My Debate with a Gang of Atheists
Ladies and gentlemen, I want you each to know how much I appreciate your patronage of this blog, your fervor to always serve as the polemics our Founding Fathers cautioned us more than two and a half centuries we must be, and the very welcomed comments, suggestions, or even criticisms of my work. However you read or respond, your comments in reply to my work are always appreciated, and if there ever is a concept of which I do not quite have a grasp or just a wrongly-reported detail, I want to know of the mistake in order to correct the error. You all make me better as a concerned American citizen fearful of the current nosedive the federal government and their state and local levels have us heading, and it is my duty so long as there is as measure of a breath or I am well enough to work hard for this truth, I will continue to do so. The truth will set us all free if only we choose to reach for its hand. It is therefore my contention that the following about God and atheism should be discussed and how at the end before I washed my hands of these individuals, there was at least a half-dozen who attacked my position over a post I made.
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People of faith do not need proof that their faith justifies their belief in God. However, atheists need science to prove there is not one.- 25 May
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@Dagan81 No one needs to prove there is not one, and most atheists know that is impossible.
11:30 PM - 25 May 14
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People of faith do not need proof that their faith justifies their belief in God. However, atheists need science to prove there is not one.- 25 May
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@J_indetroit I love your spirit, ma'am. It's rather comical the absurdities I find when I look at daily life. I am glad you agree with me. - 25 May
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@Dagan81 Not sure if we agree. I’m just saying non-belief does not necessitate some proof of non-existence. It’s just non-belief. :-)
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@J_indetroit It appears that atheists are turning to "intelligent design" to explain "creationism." But why not spontaneity? A process? - 25 May
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@Dagan81 I don’t know what you mean. How are atheists turning to intelligent design?
11:47 PM - 25 May 14
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@J_indetroit @Dagan81 Today's checkin with Juli's TL has left me baffled. I've reread a couple times and still can't figure what he means.
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@Dagan81 Right. Atheism stands for nothing. It is merely the answer "I don't believe you" in the face of god claims. It's not that deep. - 28 May
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.@Dagan81 That doesn't mean atheists stand for nothing. It only means they don't believe claims of god.
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@J_indetroit I'm rehashing what you said. If atheists believe in nothing but actually do and create societies, divinity's finite and flawed.
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@Dagan81 I specifically said that atheists still believe in things, just not gods. Are you reading my comments?
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9:26 PM - 27 May 2014
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@J_indetroit I did, and you also stated earlier that they believe in nothing, but never clarified.
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@Dagan81 Huh?
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9:22 PM - 27 May 2014
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@J_indetroit Juli, you just sat there and told me they stand for nothing. Are you pulling a U-Turn and saying "nothing" is "no gods"?
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@Dagan81 I said atheism stands for nothing. It is not a doctrine. That doesn't mean atheists don't stand for many things (they do).
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@J_indetroit We agree (?) in this discussion that atheism essentially means nothing and stands for nothing. How did he relate it to himself?
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.@Dagan81 That doesn't mean atheists stand for nothing. It only means they don't believe claims of god.
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@Dagan81 Right. Atheism stands for nothing. It is merely the answer "I don't believe you" in the face of god claims. It's not that deep.
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@J_indetroit Furthermore, since you know what about the issue enough to play Devil's Advocate, what is your definition of "atheism"
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@J_indetroit And if atheism is something they truly felt strongly about, why didn't they stay put as atheists? Theories must not be enough.
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit And, again, I ask you on your end: If you did not know what I meant by "they," who do you mean by "they"?
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit Furthermore, since you know what about the issue enough to play Devil's Advocate, what is your definition of "atheism"
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit We agree (?) in this discussion that atheism essentially means nothing and stands for nothing. How did he relate it to himself?
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@J_indetroit Therefore, if an atheist believes in "nothing" but creates a communal society based upon this, he is omnipotent despite flaws.
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@Dagan81 Huh?
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9:22 PM - 27 May 2014
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@J_indetroit I'm rehashing what you said. If atheists believe in nothing but actually do and create societies, divinity's finite and flawed.
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit Atheists are selfish, they want others to be atheists because they don't want a world with people of conviction live well.
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@J_indetroit I did, and you also stated earlier that they believe in nothing, but never clarified.
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit And if atheists believe in "nothing," is "nothing" implied through the non-belief in deities? That entails a weak foundation.
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit If atheists believe in nothing nor in gods, but still have created societies on this model, they assumed the role of deit(ies).
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Jonathan Henderson @Dagan81 May 27
@J_indetroit It is a very self-serving position. If it isn't based upon anything - and no gods is "nothing" - they exalt themselves as gods.
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