Saturday, May 17, 2014

My Debate with a Liberal on the Equity Between Animals and Humans with Regards to Free Range of Land

Topic: My Debate with a Liberal on the Equity Between Animals and Humans with Regards to Free Range of Land:

This is the second debate I have found myself in over the past three days, this one over the issue of humans being responsible for destroying the land and hunting animals to extinction, as well as deforestation. The subject was introduced based upon a friend of mine from Ohio who is a model posting this photograph of Ted Nugent along with his commentary on why the best means to practice conservation is to find measures to preserve the natural balance and order of an ecosystem. For my new readers, I will inform you that my full name is Jonathan Henderson, and it will be under my name that you may read my answers in reply to the gentleman named Steve Lenneville, who posited how mankind is responsible for the imminent destruction of all nature and the extinction of scores of animals.
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  • Jonathan Henderson Ladies and gentlemen, Ted Nugent is absolutely correct to say what he did. Animal rights activists who know nothing about the general order of how nature is balanced cannot tell you why it is imperative for the population to be not too densely populated by wolves where there might be a large total of elk, for example. If too many wolves are concentrated in an area of elk - assuming that both coexist in these areas - the latter animal, the herbivore, may be hunted to extinction. Likewise, should there be too few wolves, the elk proliferate, the wolves become mired in calumny, and the flora in the general vicinity upon which the elk feed as well as other herbivores will quickly become scarce in supply and those who feed upon it have to migrate elsewhere or starve. If people are to become chapped in the ass due to the false security of overreactions in emotion over reason and scientific facts, perhaps they need to be conditioned as if the mongrels caged by Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov (1849-1936) due to utter ignorance and unwillingness to learn simple biological facts.
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    • Steve Lenneville Not saying you're entirely wrong but what about natural selection?? Way before dumb humans fuck it all up there was something called natural selection to "naturally" do excatly what you are talking about!! So who are we to decide how we control this thing?? Stupid humans just do it cause some animals have become a nuisance?!?! A nuisance for who? We,re the the ones who stole their habitat and destroyed their hunting ground!! We have no rights to mess with nature!!
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    • Jonathan Henderson And if humans are so stupid, Steve, then why are we considered mammalia like animals? Did not the first humans subsist as nomads, where they lived off the animals in a general region until they were hunted to extinction, and then migrated to another area, or ecosystem? The Plains Indians in Montana and the Dakotas lived in much the same manner, and yet not one biologist I have read so far has condemned them. And if mankind does feed off of animals, just who is equal to whom or what, and why do carnivores like wolves, foxes, coyotes, etc., get free range over their chosen prey and yet when a human shoots a buck for venison, it is consider inhumane and cruelty to animals? Are humans not mammalia, as I stated, and therefore prone to not merely tend the land to grow agriculture, but still most eat meat? And finally, if the nature of mankind was to initially subsist off of meat, why suddenly are we to be legally banned from continuing to act within our own nature? 

      And Steve, with your logic behind the diatribe of how horrible we as a species are, would this mean to you that if it meant the proliferation of these different species of animals and the preservation of land to not be tilled due to soil erosion and deforestation, do you believe that mankind should not exist, to go extinct? If this is your definition of natural selection, this would imply that a policy of genocide would be the proper remedy since we are the scourge of the earth! For if all of God's creatures (or whatever you believe) are equal, then why does mankind have to be wiped out of the equation entirely when we were created to live off it as with any other creature or plant? Would that not entail that since you are not God or the law of Nature, your choice to implement a final solution for mankind when that law of Nature has not provided for the conditions for one man or an oligarchy of one percent comprised of false prophets to first pontificate as if educated beyond the possible comprehension of the remaining 99%? For one to be considered a populist political activist or ideologue, it is a rather poor policy to convince the masses to exalt them to lord and server and then slaughter them and justifying this act as if they were like Bob Jones in Guyana serving cyanide-laced Kool-Aid that to kill off the entire human race due to this evil, which would be your answer by dent of your logic, would free us from our evils and save the animals of the world.

      It is akin to what I read a professor say, which was how all white people should commit suicide due to their inherent evil. For a left-wing political ideologue who believes in equity to the point of Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat, it sure appears more of an Orwellian reference to "Animal Farm" where the sign stated to the animals:

      ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
      BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
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    • Steve Lenneville Man you're serious?!?! How much time have you lost writing all this shit?? It's FB not discovery channel!! Come on go on and buy yourself a life!! I jsut don't have time to answer all your question!! I will just say that I think we mesed up with natural selection in a way that we destroyed the balance of nature!! We use more ressource than earth could provide us and I truly think taht we should thin the herd for the benefit of the human and all other living species but not to a point where we completely become exctinct!! And once again as a human you value yourself so much that you seem to think human Worth more than animals or plants!! I would never agree with that sorry!!
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    • Jonathan Henderson Steve, first, I type very fast, over 140 words per minute. Second, your logic infers that you would consider an option for the entire human race be destroyed ideally because if you read what you stated, you mentioned in so many words that we are the cause for the world's demise, for the world's ecosystems being destroyed, and through all of your ranting, you never once mention that mankind as hominids are believed to have its beginnings in present day Ethiopia about 11,000 years ago, or what once was called Abyssinia as nomadic hunters and gatherers, and as they migrated from continent to continent, they evolved to where at some point, the initiation of agricultural harvests came to pass, which required land to be cleared, while still hunting for meat. Humanity is just as naturally prone to live off the earth in the same manner as the animals you claim we kill in many case indiscriminately. Yet if we are human beings and we value our own lives, why place a moratorium on any hunting or raising of livestock, or if we used that logic, why would the governments of the world not do that? Your assertion again infers how mankind is morally unequal to the rest of the world's animalia who live based upon their instincts' dictating their modus operandi, while we critically reason. There recently was a report from the Obama-run EPA that proposes a series of regulations and a tax on the levels of carbon dioxide expelled within bovine flatulence! If that happens, when does the next domino fall that initiates the coup de gras of the chain reaction? It is akin to what I told Lisa Zee (Model) in her other post from today about a full ban on the killing animals for their fur to mass produce fur clothing in that while I believe more needs to be done to protect these animals, where does the next domino begin to topple atop of the adjacent ones? There is an entire series of issues to consider. This was what I replied to her with, and since she posted her article as its own post, you may need to refer to the post itself for information:

      "The situation involving animal cruelty laws is one I would imagine your father would say is very difficult to define in terms of differentiating what and why one issue may be regulated or banned while others are not. I imagine that one test question would be to define what "animal cruelty" actually is. For instance, to harbor animals under the guise that they are lab testing specimens would entail that the legal statutes issue a very rigorous, strict statute of the criteria for what may be defined as "testing" and to the contrary, what is not. There is the issue Lisa Zee (Model), too, of how the legal codes would deal with animal deaths during lab testing and then if those corpses are "disposed of" and the process so happens to be skinning the fur from them, how best that is to be addressed. Does government then ban the testing of all animals for laboratory experiments as this is considered to be the acceptable alternative by a general consensus to doing the same on humans?

      The next controversy if this is dealt with by banning all animal testing and the manufacturing of animal skin or fur clothing, do we then see animal rights activists so extreme as PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) sue to ban the raising of livestock in order to be slaughtered for food? If the Second Amendment plus the First, Fourth, Tenth and perhaps even the Third are to be targeted for a full repeal, the millennia old practice of raising livestock for food could be next. It is like the issue with the U.S. Supreme Court last year in June striking down Proposition 8 in California which now is about make legal in all 50 states for same-sex marriages in that this is possible, there were three women in I believe New York who married each other, and still another man who is suing to marry his computer as he is highly addicted to pornography, and I already have liberal friends calling for the rescinding of the prohibition on polygamy as they claim, ironically, that it is repressive for such religions as Islam and Mormonism to practice that portion of their faith's tradition while they attempt to cripple the capacity for Christians to exist based upon their beliefs. The cliche of "give them an inch and they will take it a mile" is most apropos when describing what setting one precedent by turning back what had been centuries worth of tradition. If you play dominoes and tip one so that it will knock back the adjacent one, the rest will quickly topple. As I am being objective regarding this issue, it certainly begs the question of how far we as a society are willing to go and how we will apply any limits or breaks to what could be a very troublesome series of consequences from a legal perspective"

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  • Andrea Stapleton Gah... I hope he ate the meat. Only real reason to hunt. If u want the fur then eat the meat. No reason to waste 
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  • Andrea Stapleton Um I read it... it refered to fur.... so as I said before.... I HOPE HE ATE THAT PUSSY
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  • Tony Shinaberry A slow, painful death to anyone who harms any cat, regardless of breed!!!!!
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  • Michael Foulkrod bullshit creating excuses to kill
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  • Yvon-pat Travailler-Gref See the picture of this big MORON
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  • Mike Paradis kill em all brothah!!!!!!!!!
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  • Vaughn Dohmeier Too bad the wrong animal got killed.
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  • Aubrey Justin Jonah Smith The only thing I pay attention to about Ted is his Guitar playing.. He is great at writing songs and playing guitar... Everything else he says is CRay CRAY.. A lot of famous musicians are CRAY CRAY ..actors as well... I find it far safer to pay attention to their art... cause that's why I know whom they are. That dead Bobcat makes me very sad. The only reason for that is when they come right at you ... then there is no choice. If you have herding dogs you will never have to shoot a Coyote,Wolf,Lynx,Bobcat,or Cougar..or a bear for that matter... I have watched 5 dogs contain and move off a lean Hungry Kodiac Grizzly....A group of dogs is as bad ass as it comes in the natural world.
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  • Colin Volckman Ted You are fat useless excuse for a human!!! Karma is coming for you!!! And I hope it's very painful when it does! And your music is shit too! Prick!!
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  • Lucky Zain wawoooo great
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  • Ilonka Johnston hey kitty
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  • David Pickett Why are you listening to anything a balls to the wall racist misogynist homophobic extreme rightwing draft dodging pedophile wanna be asshole prick has to say about anything?
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  • Tony Shinaberry And for the record, this military service dodging, unpatriotic, far right wing nutjob POS is the only animal in this pic that deserves to be shot!!!!
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  • Ryan Hayes Man,I hate that guys music.
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  • Carlos Hernández No hay k matar a los animales pendejoSee Translation
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  • Andrea Stapleton Then I have no complaints. As long as it was eaten....
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  • Creative Lord good catch 
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  • Miichael Menges Dinner time
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  • Sonnyballs Wolowitz Hoang Dunno why people still use real fur 
    When technology has given us synthetic materials that performs equal or better than it. ..

    Oh waith hillbilly murica that's why
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  • Charles Hartley I played a couple shows with him years ago and i have to say he was one of the biggest ass holes i have ever met
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  • True Monolith Was just thinking about Lynx today... irony eh? 
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  • Kevin McShane Fuck Ted Nugent
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Friday, May 16, 2014

My Latest Debate with a Socialist Far Left Liberal (May 15, 2014)

Subject: Yet Another Debate with a Socialist Far Left Wing Ideologue in Defense of a Dear Friend from College:

I first wish to apologize to you, my readers, for the long absence. I have experienced serious technical difficulties with my dashboard, which still have not been rectified. Worry not, however; I have been keeping very close tabs upon the world and our national issues of interest. As there have been much to have occurred since I last posted, it would be nearly impossible to backtrack and catch everything having transpired, and it is therefore in my best interests to let those issues be and address them when new events and issues related to them occur. It is like the boomerang effect from one decade's pop culture to the next: what once was is now new again. Around the time I last posted, I had been working for two weeks on researching and analyzing the series of events and alliances forming over the issues with the Russians, Chinese, Iranian and Syrian governments. What found through access international news agencies from Russia, China, Japan, South Korea, Iran, Turkey, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Argentina were rather disturbing, and as I currently have no means to access the edit pages for this blog (the poetry blog has not been affected), I pray there is some means for me to at least recover the HTML coding so that I can at least transfer it to another format or page. I have procrastinated at completing what I have designs for a full website about the same principles as what you have accessed here. I hope that once I finish it, I may end my posts here and instead, redirected you to that site. As I have been censored two and now with my blog's dashboard, as many as three times, I am choosing to move my articles to my own website so that I do not have to worry about content.

Today's post, which probably indicates that Punxsutawney Phil's prediction of six weeks more of Spring, is perhaps the most impassioned debate upon which I have ever embarked. A friend of mine named Kelsey (he is as man) posted like I do an article on Facebook in opposition to President Obama. Upon seeing this, his friend, named Paul, attacked him for being a racist and unintelligent. When I read these comments,  I snapped inside, and wrote to this liberal a very stern series of replies. I am very passionate about my worldly perspective, and I adhere to my convictions, not to the consensus. Here is the debate, where the last reply read of his referencing me as intolerant and bigoted.


“Beware: open-mindedness will often say, 'Everything is permissible except a sharp opinion.” 
― Criss Jami



Kelsey Riffey shared Alex Jones's photo.


Obama Urges “Wrongheaded” Americans to Trust Government More
Paul Joseph Watson | President bemoans “lack of confidence in our government”.
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  • Paul White your blind hatred of the president is obvious, your reasons are suspect. I am pretty sure that you are just filling your head with hate. At least find something important to complain about. Every President has failures. jump off this tabloid op-ed crap and talk about his real problem- trying to lead a mostly racist populous to economic recovery and dealing with a greedy bigoted, corrupt, and antagonistic congress who refuses participate in the process.
    May 10 at 8:46am ·
  • Kelsey Riffey Paul , you know me better than this. I know he has a rough job and wouldn't want to be in his place. I dislike some of his policies and that doesn't make me hate him. I don't like the idea that he believes that you don't like big government something is wrong with you. What bothers me the people that our his friends talk of white genocide and not a word. I respect everyone that is different from me. If I offended you buddy sorry. I always respected to you Paul and your views.
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  • Donna Lawson Sharing for sure..
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  • Jonathan Henderson The socialist Far Left's response to any dissent towards Barack Obama is summarized in this statement: "When in doubt, pull the Race Card out!" And after all, since Kelsey apparently hates the president because he is black, why do the Far Left ideologues despise such prominent minority conservatives as Thomas Sewell, Marco Rubio, Allen West, Herman Cain, Dr. Ben Carson, Justice Clarence Thomas, and let us not forget Ted Cruz, Paul? Perhaps seeing the total incompetence on every measure of governance within the Obama administration, you would be only too delighted for the socialist Far Left to simply have total domination of the entire minority population's run as GOP politicians. While minorities continue to lose at greater rates with respect to economic clout and an accelerated growth in abject poverty, your side addresses this issue not with action, but the couplet of inaction married to further race baiting and the demand to maintain their status quo as the poorest subsections in the U.S. Since maintaining their poverty is not enough for you, you wish to support permitting the influx of some 30 million illegal aliens into this nation, providing that many more new citizens based upon a desired amnesty law with welfare subsidies and, as with Mayor Rahm Emanuel of Chicago's new policy contingent upon the inevitable passage of an amnesty bill, only these immigrants will be hired to fill the civic positions and other city-funded public sector jobs while the 92% of the young black population within the city limits remain unemployed and still on welfare, all others should be worse for the wear so long as you may court these new voters.

    Finally Paul, if you wish to cry "wolf" on the perception of conservative institutional racism, I wish to refer you to the Obama administration's figures from the U.S. Department of Labor, and how dramatically black participation within the labor force has dwindled. If this is the Democratic Party's answer to charges of Republican racism, I would rather accept that derogatory term as a compliment than to read how in 2008, 71.1% of the black population ages 20 and up eligible for work at the end of the Bush presidency has receded to an even more appalling 67.2%. Perhaps the next time President Obama decides to tell Joe the Plumber how the American people need to "spread the wealth" in order to level the field for the poor and minorities, the only spread of wealth he provided was to his Hollywood partisans or the immensely wealthy like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and George Soros. While they gained in tax breaks, the rest of us are seeing leaner bank accounts, rising health insurance costs due to Obamacare, and a labor force now exceeding more than 92 million having left due to the inability to procure jobs, and four years from now a bleak future where more will be out of the job market than there will be taxpayers. That is the change Obama talked about within the domestic economy during the 2008 campaign, and the pledge to move forward less than two years ago.

    Series Id: LNU01300031
    Not Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Unadj) Labor Force Participation Rate - 20 yrs. & over, Black or African American Men
    Labor force status: Civilian labor force participation rate
    Type of data: Percent or rate
    Age: 20 years and over
    Race: Black or African American
    Sex: Men

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    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
    2004 71.9 70.1 70.7 69.7 70.1 70.9 70.9 70.8 71.1 71.6 71.6 71.1 70.9
    2005 69.9 69.9 69.7 70.5 71.4 72.8 73.2 72.6 72.1 72.1 71.1 70.3 71.3
    2006 69.4 70.5 70.7 71.1 71.3 70.9 71.8 71.4 71.2 71.5 71.6 71.4 71.1
    2007 71.5 70.6 70.3 70.8 70.4 70.9 72.7 72.5 71.5 71.0 71.2 70.4 71.2
    2008 70.7 70.6 70.4 70.9 70.6 72.0 72.0 72.5 71.4 71.1 70.6 70.7 71.1
    2009 70.6 70.0 69.4 70.0 70.0 70.0 70.1 69.7 68.1 69.1 69.0 68.7 69.6
    2010 69.6 69.1 70.3 69.8 70.2 69.8 69.5 69.8 68.7 69.0 69.0 68.8 69.5
    2011 68.5 67.9 68.5 68.4 67.7 68.7 68.2 68.9 68.0 68.5 68.4 69.0 68.4
    2012 68.2 67.7 68.2 67.0 68.0 68.8 68.1 67.5 66.6 67.8 67.4 67.5 67.7
    2013 67.9 67.7 68.1 67.0 67.8 67.5 67.7 66.7 67.5 66.9 66.5 65.6 67.2
    2014 66.3 66.5 67.3 66.1

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    Table A-2. Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age   
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  • Kelsey Riffey I just hope this president never becomes a fully fledged dictator . I have a question for every liberal or Democrat if this president stays in power past 2016 would you guys argue that it was OK? I know many who would clap their hands with great joy.
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  • Kelsey Riffey Soros was also a Nazi collaborator. No one never speaks of this.
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  • Jonathan Henderson I grow quite angry when I read of anyone writing as did your friend. I have ended quite a number of friendships over the past year over issues regarding this form of intolerance and the retaliation through intimidation. One old friend told me I was racist for posting a political cartoon of two white men - one farmer and another a street thug - and on the left there being both with guns during a period of legal ownership of firearms and the right only showing the street thug with them. That was the beginning of the month-long thaw into the final blow that forced my hand when he generalized University of Virginia students as "rich, self-entitled douchebags" (and recall I had a cousin attend that very good school) while saying schools differ and his graduate school - the University of Michigan, which he referenced as reminiscent of an Ivy League school - did not have that. Once I replied that certain groups are like that at all schools when I stated those within Greek life, he then went off on me saying how I only talk about things that anger me, that I needed to find something I like to talk about. After that, an argument ensued for half an hour where I called attention to his hypocrisy, which he denied and at the same time backpeddled on his comments as he did when he had called me a racist a month earlier. At one point, I truly lost it with him and stated how as a liberal, he professes social harmony. After that and a few more details, that was the end of a 14 year friendship.

    Margaret Thatcher was quite the conviction politician. I love these statements:

    "Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous. You get knocked down by traffic on both sides."

    "Do you think you would have ever heard of Christianity if the Apostles had said, 'I believe in consensus'"?

    What Paul proved to me was that he believes only in the consensus of those who tell him there is a class struggle occurring, while I adhere to my convictions. Some individuals or interest groups have no conviction and lean upon their own prejudices against anyone who dares to oppose them. Those people stand for nothing and their views are such that when you listen to outbursts of emotional appeal in anger and ultimately condescension, it is obvious that the foundation of their arguments are contrived and its base, quicksand. Once they read a series of figures to corroborate with their socialist policies' failures to accomplish anything they set out to do, they lose all composure and resort to character assassination. It really is quite common.
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  • Paul White I am not offended by your comments Kelsey. i just know that you are very intelligent, I am only suggesting that you use intelligent arguments. I never called GW stupid. I hated the way the press belittled his personality. However i found both his foreign and domestic policies dangerous and often badly managed. The same holds for O. I think you have better arguments than the tabloid stuff you use. Jonathon is the only person guilty of character assassination in the conversation. He wrote that long piece of nonsense as an attack on me and made it a manifesto of intolerance. His 1st suggestion was to unfriend me. I prefer your ability to debate. I think you know that when it comes down to it we have similar core values and a common distrust of government and politicians. that is all.
    14 hours ago · 
  • Jonathan Henderson There you go again, Paul, once again reinforcing your intolerance and how you are in denial that your inferring Kelsey is a racist for opposing Obama is not intolerance 
    accusing me of encouraging him to block you. If you did not have the race card or some measure of intolerance to lean upon in defense of your failed initiatives within your party's officials, what would you have? The fact is that whether it was Jimmy Carter, the Clintons, or now Barack Obama, they have no competence on sound monetary policy, no competence on how to ensure true social accord other than to promote the most pervasive policies encouraging hate since the Jim Crow era, and for a party of peace, you choose to slaughter scores of innocents in proxy warfare depending upon the race or religion of the nations in question while you wish to contribute to the destruction of Israel. If you want to "bring back our girls" with fruitless hashtag political strategies, why by the same token did the president do nothing to save the 50 college students in Nigeria killed by the same Boko Haram? Would he have lifted a finger had they been Muslim? Furthermore, why did Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State fight to prevent the classification of Boko Haram as a terrorist organization?

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    Before you resort to the race card, please consider how your support for a president with no regard for life domestically or globally destroys your position and the Democratic Party's once November 2 arrives. After all, by your logic, the only hatred possible to exist is to oppose socialist Far Left policies. If acquiescence is impossible to achieve by coercion and intimidation, we therefore may always rely upon               the race card being pulled in desperation.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/boko-haram-militants-slaughter-50...   


    Terrorists Storm Nigeria College Dorm, Kill 50   
    www.ibtimes.com   

    At least 50 students were killed in their sleep by suspected Boko Haram militants on Sunday.



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